JOHN DICKERSON INTERVIEWS DONALD TRUMP
DECEMBER 6, 2015
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JOHN DICKERSON: There are links between I.S.I.S. and this terrorist attack in San Bernardino, but there were no red flags. So how do you stop this from happening again?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think there are red flags, and a lot of people knew what was going on in that house, or that apartment. And people were not wanting to call because they thought it would be inappropriate to call --
JOHN DICKERSON: Inappropriate, why?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, they were saying that it was -- that they would've been profiling. And a person said, "We sort of knew what was going on, but we don't want to profile." Can you believe this?
JOHN DICKERSON: Should there be profiling?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think there can be profiling. I mean--
JOHN DICKERSON: How would that work?
DONALD TRUMP: If they thought there was something wrong with that group and they saw what was happening, and they didn't want to call the police because they didn't want to be profiling, I think that's pretty bad. People are dead. A lot of people are dead right now. So everybody wants to be politically correct, and that's part of the problem that we have with our country.
JOHN DICKERSON: Have people been too politically correct with Muslims in America?
DONALD TRUMP: I think so, I think so, and with maybe other things too, but I think certainly so. And, as you know, I came out with, "I want vigilance. I want real vigilance." And whether it's mosques or whatever it has to be. But a lot of bad things are happening.
JOHN DICKERSON: "Whatever it has to be." Does that include -- I know you -- where are you on the question of tracking Muslims in America?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, look. We are having a problem with radical -- with the radicals in the Muslim group. Let's not kid ourselves. And you can say it, or you don't have to say it. And maybe you won't even want to. But I've been saying it loud and strong. So if you have people coming out of mosques with hatred and with death in their eyes and on their minds, we're going to have to do something, John. We can't just say, "We're not going to look at it." Now I made that statement a number of weeks ago. It took a lot of -- you know, a lot of, whatever, a lot of people were not exactly thrilled with it. And now everybody seems to agree with me.
JOHN DICKERSON: But this idea of tracking Muslims in America. That's the thing. Where are you on that?
DONALD TRUMP: …You have people that have to be tracked. If they're Muslims, they're Muslims. But you have people that have to be tracked. And we've better be --I use the word vigilance. We have to show vigilance. We have to have it. And if we don't, we're foolish people. You know, we're really -- we're being led by people that don't know what's happening. When you have President Obama talking about global warming is our biggest problem, we have a president that is just not with it at all.
JOHN DICKERSON: …There are three million Muslims in America.
DONALD TRUMP: Right.
JOHN DICKERSON: What should they feel about their place in American life now?
DONALD TRUMP: Look. We are having a tremendous problem with radical Islamic terrorism. I mean, you can say it, or you don't have to say it. And we have a president that won't issue the term. He won't talk about it. So we're having this tremendous radical Islamic terrorism. Okay? A lot of people don't want to even say it. Not a lot of people. We have one person that I really know of and it's called President Obama. Until he admits that this is a problem, we're never gonna solve the problem. But he's only gonna be there, fortunately, a little bit more than a year. Because the problem will get solved when he gets the hell out.
JOHN DICKERSON: You mentioned political correctness about Muslims. What -- the criticism of you is that you are playing on fears that people have --
DONALD TRUMP: -- No, I'm playing on common sense.
JOHN DICKERSON: And you're stoking them --
DONALD TRUMP: -- No, no. I'm not playing on fears. I don't want to play on fears. I understand the whole world, and I understand. And I have Muslim friends who are great people. And by the way, they tell me, "there's a big problem." I'm not playing on fears. I'm playing on common sense. We have a problem. The World Trade Center came down. And, by the way, speaking of coming down, they put their families on airplanes a couple of days before, sent them back to Saudi Arabia for the most part. Those wives knew exactly what was going to happen. And those wives went home to watch their husbands knock down the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and wherever the third plane was going, except we had some very, very brave passengers, wherever that third plane was going. Those wives knew exactly what was happening.
JOHN DICKERSON: You mention the families, going after the families. What does that -- what does that mean? How would that work?
DONALD TRUMP: Well I would go after -- well, at least I would certainly go after the wives who absolutely knew it was happening, and I guess your definition of what I'd do, I'm going to leave that to your imagination. But I will tell you, I would be very tough on families. Because the families know what's happening. Even in this last instance, I see everybody knew. So many people knew. They thought that this man and this woman, you know, whether he was radicalized or how he became -- they thought something was going on. Why don't these people report it to the police? Why wouldn't they report it to the police? Now they said it was profiling. They didn't want to profile. Can you believe this? They didn't want to profile, even though they thought something very bad was going on.
JOHN DICKERSON: His sister said she didn't know what was going on. She was crestfallen for the victims here. You don't --
DONALD TRUMP: I probably don't believe the sister.
JOHN DICKERSON: You don't believe the sister?
DONALD TRUMP: No.
JOHN DICKERSON: So you'd go after her?
DONALD TRUMP: I would go after a lot of people and I'd find out whether or not they knew. I'd be able to find out. Because I don't believe the sister.
JOHN DICKERSON: And do you worry about creating more terrorists?
DONALD TRUMP: No. We have to stop terrorists. And the only way we're gonna stop them in my opinion is that way. You know, they say they don't mind dying. I think they do mind dying. But I can tell you this. They want their families left alone. We have to stop terrorism.
JOHN DICKERSON: And you don't think if you -- you don't think there's a worry, a tension if you go too far that you end up creating more terrorists?
DONALD TRUMP: What's too far? What's too far? They're killing people. Whether it's what we just saw in California or in Paris. They're killing people, innocent people. People without guns. You look at Paris. No guns. Nothing. And you look at California. No guns. I can tell you one thing. If I'm in there and I have a gun, I'm -- we're going down shooting, we're gonna knock 'em out, okay, one way or the other. And if a couple of guns are in that room, you talk about Second Amendment, which I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment. In Paris, they had no guns. In California they had no guns. Only the bad guys had the guns. So they were like sitting ducks, every one of 'em.
JOHN DICKERSON: Should the good guys get guns?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I mean, the good guys--
JOHN DICKERSON: -- Should people carry?
DONALD TRUMP: If they want to, they should be able to. Because it's gonna be a lot safer. Look at what's going on. We're going into these gun-free areas. How about the school a few months ago? Gun-free school, gun-free area. And you look at what happened. It was a disgrace. If people had guns, how about the soldiers that were killed? Six soldiers killed. Champion marksmen on a military base. They're not allowed to carry their guns. And a whack job walks in and kills them. Not right. So I am a believer in the Second Amendment. And, you know, the bottom line is, the bad guys are always going to have the guns. We better do something about it. Paris is one of the toughest cities in the world for guns. Right? You can't get 'em. And you had carnage.
JOHN DICKERSON: Why do you think people join I.S.I.S. in the United States?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I think for one reason, they're using the internet a lot better than we do, and they're brainwashing these kids. I mean, the word is brainwashing. They are brainwashing young, impressionable people. Largely young, probably they're doing it with older people also.
JOHN DICKERSON: How do you fight that?
DONALD TRUMP: You fight it with intelligence. You fight it by beating them at their own game. You fight it by not saying "mastermind." Like you did, like other people did. I see the word "mastermind," the mastermind. I call them the guy with the dirty hat. The guy with the dirty, filthy hat. They called him a mastermind. And these kids are watching the mastermind. They say, "Oh, I want to be a mastermind." The press is really hurting it. I will say that. I was very strong on that last week and two weeks ago with the Paris knockout. And I think the press is making it -- they're glamorizing these people. These people are animals. These people are not masterminds. They're not even smart people. I bet you they have very low IQs. I mean, they're not smart people. And the press is making them into something, they're making them into Robin Hood. And young people and other people are following. We have to stop their internet work. They're doing better at the -- we came up with the internet, but they're using it better than we do.
JOHN DICKERSON: In terms of stopping them, at the moment, if you're on the no-fly list, you can buy a firearm. Does that need to be fixed?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, I'd certainly take a look at it. I would. I'm very strong into the whole thing with Second Amendment -- but if you can't fly, and if you've got some really bad -- I would certainly look at that very hard.
JOHN DICKERSON: Would you also look into -- the shooters in this case amassed a great amount of ammunition.
DONALD TRUMP: Right.
JOHN DICKERSON: They had multiple weapons. Should that, in this new world, bring people under suspicion, if they - if they're developing that kind of a cache?
DONALD TRUMP: Well, certainly people could look at it. I'm, you know, I'm -- they should. When the people next door and when other people are saying, "there's something strange going on there," that's not people going hunting for deer, okay, what was happening in there. Because they had bombs. They had all sorts of pipe bombs. They had a lot of things. And certainly you can take a look at what's going on. Again, the word "vigilance." We have to be looking at a lot of different things, but we can't do anything to hurt the Second Amendment. People need their weapons to protect themselves, and you see that now more than ever before.
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